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    Way off Topic / Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    (Reuters) - U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry on Sunday condemned Russia's "incredible act of aggression" in Ukraine and threatened economic sanctions by the United States and allies to isolate Moscow, but called for a peaceful resolution to the crisis.

    "You just don't in the 21st century behave in 19th century fashion by invading another country on completely trumped up pre-text," Kerry told the CBS program "Face the Nation."

    The Ukraine crisis has taken already strained U.S.-Russian relations to new lows. Kerry did the rounds of the Sunday morning television news shows to emphasize the Obama administration's condemnation of Russia's moves.

    Russia still has "a right set of choices" that can be made to defuse the crisis, Kerry said. Asked on the ABC program "This Week" if the United States has "any military options on the table" to address the crisis, he said that President Barack Obama "has all options on the table."

    However, he added, "The hope of the United States and everybody in the world is not to see this escalate into a military confrontation. That will not serve the world well, and I think everybody understands that."

    He told the NBC program "Meet the Press," "We want a peaceful resolution through the normal processes of international relations."

    Putin won permission from his parliament on Saturday to use military force to protect Russian citizens in Ukraine, ignoring warnings from Obama and other Western leaders. Russian forces have already bloodlessly seized Crimea - an isolated Black Sea peninsula where Moscow has a naval base.

    "It's an incredible act of aggression. It is really a stunning, willful choice by President (Vladimir) Putin to invade another country. Russia is in violation of the sovereignty of Ukraine. Russia is in violation of its international obligations," Kerry said.

    'BROAD ARRAY OF OPTIONS'

    Kerry said Obama told Putin in a 90-minute phone call on Saturday "that it was imperative to find a different path, to roll back this invasion and un-do this act of invasion."

    Kerry said G8 nations and some other countries are "prepared to go to the hilt to isolate Russia" with a "broad array of options" available.

    "They're prepared to put sanctions in place, they're prepared to isolate Russia economically, the ruble is already going down. Russia has major economic challenges."

    Kerry mentioned visa bans, asset freezes, trade isolation, investment changes as possible steps, adding: "American businesses may well want to start thinking twice about whether they want to do business with a country that behaves like this."

    "There are very serious repercussions that can flow out of this. There are a broad array of options that are available, not just to the United States but to our allies," Kerry added.

    Kerry also called on the U.S. Congress to work with the Obama administration on an economic package to assist Ukraine.

    Kerry's comments came amid a chorus of condemnation from Washington and its allies.

    Ukraine has asked for help from NATO, Britain and the United States, as co-signatories with Moscow to a 1994 accord guaranteeing Ukraine's security after the breakup of the Soviet Union. Ukraine's security council has ordered the general staff to put all armed forces on highest alert.

    Kerry said the United States is "absolutely prepared" to boycott a scheduled G8 meeting in Sochi, Russia, in June. The city also hosted the Winter Olympic Games last month.

    Obama canceled a visit to Moscow last September to protest Putin's refusal to help rein in Syrian President Bashar Assad in that country's civil war, although he did attend a G20 summit in St. Petersburg.

    The White House said on Saturday the United States will suspend participation in preparatory meetings for the Sochi summit. Kerry said recent events "put at question Russia's capacity to be within the G8."

    "If Russia wants to be a G8 country, it needs to behave like a G8 country," he added.

    The crisis began in November after Viktor Yanukovich, Ukraine's Russian-backed president who was ousted a week ago, triggered protests by spurning a political and trade deal with the European Union.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A210DG20140302

    Anyone else got incite into this dilemma or situation?

    or

    Does anyone have opinions on the topic about of the ordeal?

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    Yeah toss off John Kerry. You only give a damn because you want some missile bases there.
    The Russian bear is mighty though, she won't bow down to your eagle.
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    i dont own and eagle i wish i would thou

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    Let me preface this by saying I was born in the U.S. and have lived there my whole life.

    Quote Originally Posted by ExCruxis View Post
    Kerry mentioned [...] "American businesses may well want to start thinking twice about whether they want to do business with a country that behaves like this."
    I guess American businesses better start thinking twice about doing business with America too then. The hypocrites in the U.S. government have committed countless atrocities by exploiting other nations in both the distant and recent past.

    I doubt anyone will argue with me when I say that corruption is pretty much everywhere. That corruption exists because profit supersedes human well-being. People will lie, kill, and cheat in order to profit because that is the primary motivating factor. Profit is a primitive mechanism meant to deal with scarcity. However, today, we have the technology, scientific knowledge, and resources to provide a high standard of living for everyone on the planet. Why, then, do we not do it?

    Big business owners do not want to relinquish their power. They want to maintain the status quo, because they are the winners of the current system. They do not care about people or the environment as much as they care about profit. If we want to improve the world, we must move away from a profit based system. Remove the motivation for corrupt behavior and you will remove the corrupt behavior that is trashing our planet and people's lives.

    Protesting is useless without a suggestion. Here is mine:

    Check out The Venus Project. In addition to doing away with money and the artificial borders which divide people who should be cooperating, it proposes a "global resource-based economy", in which science and technology are intelligently applied to allocate resources based on need.

    www.thevenusproject.com

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    I know of the Venus Project, and I wish those pinko commies well. As an anarchist myself though, I only ask that they not include me in their robot city designs. I like having a free market that motivates me to work harder in the world, and I like how that free market that incentives others(like say Nival) to innovate as well.

    My solution to ending war/corruption is simply to take away the State mechanisms that make those endeavours profitable.
    Ie, if weapon companies want wars they can pay for those wars themselves. No forcing other people through tax dollars and state soldiery to fight all those wars for them.

    Similarly my solution to keeping a sustainable environments is to force big business to bear the grunt of the repercussions themselves.
    Ie, if you want exploit the land the first step is buying that land for exactly what it's worth, and it's worth more than you have if you're someone that exploits it.
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    Hahaha, we already had effective Libertarianism/Anarchism in America in the gilded age, Wild West, and early industrial revolution, and it was completely abhorrent. The purpose of government is to manifest noble ideas like justice and equality and improve upon the might-makes-right brutality of nature. Enforcing it is senseless and redundant. Unless you're eager to be a war slave to a mongol horde or choke on coal dust for whomever ends up with the most property, I suggest you get on board with socialism or go into the woods with an axe like the unabomber.

    I never really understand why Randians/Anarchists never take that option, btw. The wilderness is there... just grab your axe and head into the Yukon. You can do as you please and chances are great that no one will find you or care and you can live out your days in your tax-free, government-free utopia.
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    Would take a Wild West over a Soviet Gulag, any day of the week, mate. ^
    Would rather be a 'wage' slave than an actual slave to socialist taxation.

    You can blame worker oppression in the Industrial revolution on a lot of things, mate, but you can't blame it on too much freedom.
    Remember it was State Troopers that that gunned down strikers in the Ludlow Massacre, not company employees.
    The State paid for the troopers, and the State paid for the tanks. It was the State caused the suffering.

    Big companies that are forced to kill workers themselves are the same as big companies that don't kill workers at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TawneeStone View Post
    Let me preface this by saying I was born in the U.S. and have lived there my whole life.



    I guess American businesses better start thinking twice about doing business with America too then. The hypocrites in the U.S. government have committed countless atrocities by exploiting other nations in both the distant and recent past.

    I doubt anyone will argue with me when I say that corruption is pretty much everywhere. That corruption exists because profit supersedes human well-being. People will lie, kill, and cheat in order to profit because that is the primary motivating factor. Profit is a primitive mechanism meant to deal with scarcity. However, today, we have the technology, scientific knowledge, and resources to provide a high standard of living for everyone on the planet. Why, then, do we not do it?

    Big business owners do not want to relinquish their power. They want to maintain the status quo, because they are the winners of the current system. They do not care about people or the environment as much as they care about profit. If we want to improve the world, we must move away from a profit based system. Remove the motivation for corrupt behavior and you will remove the corrupt behavior that is trashing our planet and people's lives.

    Protesting is useless without a suggestion. Here is mine:

    Check out The Venus Project. In addition to doing away with money and the artificial borders which divide people who should be cooperating, it proposes a "global resource-based economy", in which science and technology are intelligently applied to allocate resources based on need.

    www.thevenusproject.com
    Originally Posted by ExCruxis View Post
    Kerry mentioned [...] "American businesses may well want to start thinking twice about whether they want to do business with a country that behaves like this."
    im really not sure when i posted this ^

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExCruxis View Post
    Originally Posted by ExCruxis View Post
    Kerry mentioned [...] "American businesses may well want to start thinking twice about whether they want to do business with a country that behaves like this."
    im really not sure when i posted this ^
    Did you read the article you posted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TawneeStone View Post
    Did you read the article you posted?
    i wasnt sure were you were gonna lead this to suggesting the entire post/article is mine when i gave the url were i got this from "cited"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExCruxis View Post
    i wasnt sure were you were gonna lead this to suggesting the entire post/article is mine when i gave the url were i got this from "cited"
    Dude, the beginning of that quote from the article says "Kerry mentioned". As in John Kerry. As in not you.

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    US should keep their hands away from Ukraine, I am from Ukraine and I will better trust to Russia then to America,we don't have normal parliament and president.All time You guys try to fck up somebody, not these time, here is Mr. Putin's turn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkilledInside View Post
    US should keep their hands away from Ukraine, I am from Ukraine and I will better trust to Russia then to America,we don't have normal parliament and president.All time You guys try to fck up somebody, not these time, here is Mr. Putin's turn.
    "All time You guys try to fck up somebody, not these time, here is Mr. Putin's turn." sorry but i think you phrased this wrong , but i must agree ever country is rules and govern differently should be allowed to have their own justice to define their people and i understand with other countries intervening others will pre-take in its overall control of power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkilledInside View Post
    US should keep their hands away from Ukraine, I am from Ukraine and I will better trust to Russia then to America,we don't have normal parliament and president.All time You guys try to fck up somebody, not these time, here is Mr. Putin's turn.
    Is it true that many Ukrainians wish to join the European Union? There's more corruption in the EU than money in your whole Country

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